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Friday, July 06, 2007


This is coolbert:

"The American’s interest in this type of submarine was aroused earlier, during joint naval exercises, when the USN failed in its efforts to track a Gotland-class sub"

"Since last summer the Navy has spent months playing a game of cat and mouse . . . and time after time the Swedish sub has eluded its pursuers."

"in training exercises the Gotland has sunk our most sophisticated nuclear submarines . . . it reportedly sunk our largest aircraft carrier, the U.S.S. Reagan."

The above all with regard to the Swedish Gotland class submarine out-performing the American Navy in joint exercises.

This is presumably NOT the first time that exercises and “tests” of American undersea warfare technology has been “probed” by the submarines of FOREIGN nations.

Here are two instances I came across by accident while researching the Type XXI blog entry.

One involving an Australian Oberon class submarine participating in joint exercises with the U.S. Navy.

"the ability of the O-boats to run in total silence enabled Australian submarines to successfully attack [the] USS Enterprise in a training exercise, despite a huge number of supporting ships 'protecting' it."

Was able to sink an American aircraft carrier. NOTIONALLY of course. Just as with the Swedes and the Gotland series of “exercises”. NOTIONALLY!

[“notionally” means to the military simulated, in an exercise, NOT for real, but would have been IF IT WAS FOR REAL!!


3. abstract, theoretical, or speculative, as reflective thought.
4. not real or actual; ideal or imaginary: to create a notional world for oneself."

And, a British Porpoise class submarine intruded into U.S. waters undetected, evading U.S. anti-submarine technology.

"The class [Porpoise] also performed excellently in clandestine operations, such as surveillance and inserting special forces."

"Rorqual [Porpoise class sub] was later able to surface undetected off the Statue of Liberty"

Surfaced near the Statue of Liberty. New York City. The message this sends is quite clear! “If we had wanted to do so, we could have done so!” NO, we did so!!

Did the Soviets ever do any of this stuff FOR REAL??!! An ex-Soviet Admiral says NO! According to this man, Soviet submariners during the Cold War NEVER penetrated American waters! Who knows!?




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